JL;DR SUMMARY On the Unorthodox podcast, Pulitzer Prize-winning Washington Post reporter Eli Saslow discusses his book "Rising out of Hatred," detailing Derek Black's transformation from a white nationalist to an advocate against the movement, influenced by friendships with diverse peers, including Jewish students who invited him to Shabbat dinners. A way out west there was a fella, fella I want to tell you about, fella by the name of Jeff Lebowski. At least, that was the handle his lovin' parents gave him, but he never had much use for it himself. This Lebowski, he called himself the Dude. Now, Dude, that's a name no one would self-apply where I come from. But then, there was a lot about the Dude that didn't make a whole lot of sense to me. And a lot about where he lived, likewise. But then again, maybe that's why I found the place s'durned innarestin'.